BRARD (Dutch television program)
December 19, 1998 (Veronica--an independent TV station)
-By Patty Brard, translated and transcribed by LSD

Brard refers to Patty Brard (50+), ex-Luv' and hostess of an uninspiring program that tries to portray people with different backgrounds and personalities in a heartwarming way. The intro is Patty Brard asking concertgoers to give their opinion about Marilyn Manson. This took place right before Marilyn Manson performed in 013 in Tilburg (Holland) on December 14. The interview was held backstage afterwards, after Manson had a shower. He wears only a towel and a pair of sunglasses--the Sophia Loren ones.

[Patty:] "Just when you think you've seen it all, well, haha, the Week of Willibrord [Dutch program which ridicules ignorant people] could be considered crazy, but the "Week of Brard" can get even crazier. Where was I last week? In Tilburg. At a concert. A rock concert. The phenomenon is called Marilyn Manson. It screams, it kicks, it knocks, it sweeps, it sucks, haha. I say nothing further, see for yourself: Marilyn Manson."

(Show footage of The Dope Show video)

[Patty:] "Who's Marilyn Manson?"
[Female Concertgoer #1:] "He's, um..."
[Female Concertgoer #1 to #2:] (giggling) "Who is Marilyn Manson?"
[Patty:] "If you have to compare him with something or someone from the past, with whom would that be?"
[Male Concertgoer#1:] "That's a very difficult question really. I think that he is actually a sort of, um, he actually stands on his own."
[Male Concertgoer #2:] "Well, really bizar, but still... Well, that kind of attracts me or something."
[Female Concertgoer #2:] "I think he's just really cool."
[Female Concertgoer #1:] (laughing) "Yeah, he's just really nuts."
[Patty to Male Concertgoer #2:] "Not Alice Cooper?"
[Male Concertgoer #2:] "No, not anything like that, no, so..."
[Patty:] "He does make me think of him."
[Male Concertgoer #2:] "Yeah, me... Well, I don't know Alice Cooper that well, so, um..."

(show footage of The Dope Show video)

[Tour Manager to Patty:] "Patty, this is Manson."
[Tour Manager to Manson:] "Manson, this is Patty."
[Patty:] "Hi, I'm Patty. Nice to meet you."

(show footage of The Dope Show video)

[Patty:] "Did you have your shower?"
[Manson:] "Pardon me?"
[Patty:] "Did you have your shower?"
[Manson:] "Ah, I just like to keep the dirt on."

(show footage of The Dope Show video)

[Patty:] "Is Marilyn Manson the band or just you?"
[Manson:] "It's both. Just like in Christianity. Of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. It's all one. It's a band. It's me. It's the people.
[Patty:} "Are you the boss?"
[Manson:] (smiling) "Of course."
[Patty:] "In control?"
[Manson:] "Of course."
[Patty:] "Always?"
[Manson:] (laughing) "Sure."
[Patty:] "Just as I thought I had seen it all, and I've lived through some years of rock and roll--I'm probably twice your age. I saw your concert tonight, and I saw, everything. I saw Bowie. I saw T-Rex. I saw Sigue Sigue Sputnik the way they should have been. I mean, the way they could never have been 'cause you have great musicians on top of everything."
[Manson:] "Oh, thanks."
[Patty:] "Is this the Manson genius behind it?"
[Manson:] "Oh, I just grew up loving rock and roll and I've always felt like if I can do something that, you know, if I was in the crowd, this is what I'd wanna see. So my first priority is to impress myself. So everything I have to do is for me. And if the crowd likes it too, then that's good also."
[Patty:] "Are you..."
[Manson:] "My parents loved rock and roll, and, um, they made me listen to Elvis when I was growing up, and the Beatles and T-Rex and all that, so..."
[Patty:] "It's... And it's... I can't help to think that every time I look at you as stagist I look at that little, I think of that little photograph of you when you were a little boy."
[Manson:] "The naked one?"
[Patty:] (laughing) "Not that one, no." (Manson shakes his index finger at Patty to tell her she's being naughty) (they both start laughing about it)
[Patty:] "I think..." (Manson coughs)
[Patty:] "I would look at that one if I had found it..." (they both laugh some more)
[Patty:] "But whenever I see that little, that first, in the first part of the book, I see this little thing and I think, did they want him to grow up like this?"
[Manson:] "Um..."
[Patty:] "They come and see your shows?"
[Manson:] "Yeah. I think my parents are proud because I'm doing what makes me happy, and that's probably more than any parent could want, you know."
[Patty:] "What are you doing? Kicking against everything everybody ever set a rule for?"
[Manson:] "I'm just doing what I wanna do, you know, and no one's gonna stop me, you know. I think what I do, what I say, makes everybody feel liberated because they see that I'm not gonna play it by anybody's rules but my own."
[Patty:] "I can't help but think that you're an old soul, to must, to have to, to be able to understand and to communicate like you do at your, at your age. Do I sound like ano..."
[Manson:] "Well, maybe I'm the reincarnation of Julius Ceasar, possibly." (bends his lips questioning)
[Patty:] (laughing) "You look like him..."
[Manson:] (laughing) "With my loin-cloth here..." (refers to towel)
[Patty:] "You look great."
[Manson:] (shy) "Thanks."
[Patty:] "Do you... Is, is it everything that behind, gosh, look at all the..." (strokes Manson's tattoes on his upper left arm) (Manson thinks for a second and strokes her upper left arm as well and laughs)
[Patty:] (smiling) "I've seen it all... I have to tell people that you're crazy, but I don't think you are." (while stroking Manson's other arm) (Manson looks confused)
[Patty:] "I have to tell people at home what I saw today. (to viewers) I saw a guy on stage, and I can say this, but he doesn't want me to talk like that, I'm sure." (Manson stands up immediately and turns around)
[Manson:] "You saw it like this..." (opens his towel from behind to reveal his naked ass in all of its glory on Dutch national television while shaking it and laughing about it)
[Patty:] (very alert and interested all of a sudden) "This is what we saw..." (presenting Manson's butt cheeks, grabbing them gently, then stroking his ass)
[Patty:] "This is what I saw..." (slaps Manson's ass with her right hand)
[Patty:] "This butt."
(Manson turns back around while closing the towel with a big smile on his face)
[Patty:] "And I saw microphones sticking up. You didn't..."
[Manson:] "You did?"
[Patty:] "What? You... I never seen anybody doing things with that mic...
[Manson:] (pointing down to Patty) "You didn't?" (then Patty stands up trying to keep Manson from taking the soundman's microphone)
[Patty:] (laughing) "Don't you dare!" (when Patty realizes Manson's intentions she becomes very helpful right away though) (Manson turns around again and Brard lifts up his towel from behind a bit, so that Manson can fake as if he's shoving the microphone up his ass--it's way too big)
[Patty:] "And when like...Next time he has to use this! I mean, next time when somebody gives me a microphone I'm gonna..."
[Manson:] (serious) "The opening band [3 Colors Red] has to use that! They get to smell it..." (they're both laughing hysterically, but then all of a sudden Manson apologizes and sits down as if he's told to behave himself)
[Manson:] (kinda laughing still) "I'm sorry..."
[Patty:] (amused) "Ssst..."
[Manson:] "I'll sit back down."
[Patty:] (to viewers--without Manson's presence) "I got to touch Marilyn Manson's ass! But I'll take another microphone. (to soundman) The one of yours I'll never use again." (she's holding a copy of Mechanical Animals and a big fat marker, too)

(show footage of The Dope Show video)

[Patty:] "How did you get this whole concept together? Or isn't it a concept?"
[Manson:] "It is... Everything kinda, it comes up consciously for me. Music and images and performances all comes out the same time. Lot of people have to just try and think of things that go together, but for me it's just, it's all one thing."
[Patty:] "This whole drugs thing that, the whole stage thing... I couldn't help but wonder, did you try everything?"
[Manson:] "Ah, no, but, um, you know. I've always done drugs to know that I don't have to, you know, 'cause so many people, you know, I find, that I'm around aren't really strong enough to handle things and I like a challenge. So I would challenge myself with everything just to know that I'm a strong enough person. So having that part of the show is kind of me laughing at the idea of drugs that, it's something that, um, can't control me."
[Patty:] "Is there, um, anything that can control you?"
[Manson:] "Probably at this point, just, um, what I do, you know. 'Cause it's, it's the only thing that I, you know, I feel indebted to, that I have to create. If I don't create I'm not happy. So I'm always making something."
[Patty:] "You're very disciplined. Do you think that rock and roll needs discipline, as well?"
[Manson:] "Um, it needs a good balance, you know. For me there's a balance of chaos and dis..., you know, and the order. And that's what, um, you know, Marilyn Manson has always been about..."
[Patty:]"Is Marilyn..."
[Manson:] "Putting extremes together."

(show footage of The Dope Show video)

[Patty:] "What are we gonna see next year? Do we need a hit?
[Manson:] (rubbing his chin) "Next year... Well, the new single is (Patty whispers the title along) "I Don't Like The Drugs (But The Drugs Like Me)," and so we just did a video for that. It'll be out here in Europe in January."
[Patty:] "It's very nice having you. Go back and get dressed, and, um..." (stroking Manson's knee)
[Manson:] (hysterically serious) "Sure feels good you caressing my leg..." (he does the same to her again)
[Patty:] (while thinking) "Yeah..."
[Manson:] "I'm gonna get a hard on."
[Patty:] "Good..." (then Patty quickly lifts up Manson's towel to see if he really is--you see nothing) (they both laugh hysterically while Manson looks kinda surprised in the direction of probably the tour manager who's outside the frame)
[Manson:] "Alright. Nice meeting you."
[Patty:] "Nice meeting you."
[Manson:] "Take care..." (Manson got up and walks away)
[Patty:] "Bye."
[Manson:] (while Patty's out of the frame) "Bye." (Manson's being helped down a little stairs by a roadie who was probably searching for somebody outside the venue before the concert started--he looks a bit like Ginger Fish)